Posts by The Marvster

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Blondie's Comments on the 11-8-2015 WT Study

by blondie in

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blondies highlights from the 11-08-2015 wt study (july 15, 2015).

excellent general website: www.jwfacts.com .

paragraph 11-15 recreation.

The Marvster

JEHOVAH GOD created humans with free will, that is, the liberty

to choose between one option and another. God provided

a valuable guide for the first man and woman and their future

offspring—the conscience, an inner sense of right and

wrong.

It's things like this that once I started to 'think' about what's in the bible and taught by the dubs, I started thinking WTF??

So god creates free will, but supplied a conscience so that people could distinguish between right and wrong... to me that says, god KNEW that free will could potentially end in a total fuckup with man and woman making the WRONG decisions.... the system was not fool proof, and seems like a design fault

also if god 'GAVE them a guide, i.e. a CONSCIENCE', did they really have any free will? because surely the conscience was tailored by him, so any reaction they had to good or bad, how could it have been their own? was it not a reaction created by the conscience put into them.... they were never allowed to think for themselves in the first place so how is that free will?

and then why the heck did god create an existence where 'evil', bad, sin etc existed, only then having to put a conscience into humans to help them avoid that course? huh? why not just avoid the whole sin issue in the first place and design a fool proof system???? WTF... it's almost like he did it on purpose... didn't he trust his own work? WTF???

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Hello!

by josephus in

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i haven't been around in some time, i used to post under the name "josephus" many years ago back when the late great farkel.

i have returned recently and have a youtube channel called "thegreatapostate!

i am very pleased with it and hope you'll have a look.

The Marvster

Hello Josephus,

been watching your YT channel and especially enjoyed the 'Silliest Unwritten Rule' series.

it's great the way you go into how the organisation functions so any who are curious about the organisation who watch the vids will be under no illusion about how INSANE it is in dub-ville

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Acronyms

by Distracted in

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reading through a lot of the forum posts and wondered what tatt stands for (?).

any more acronyms that are special to this site?

The Marvster

a couple more (obvious ones that are pretty self explanatory)

DF'd - disfellowshipped

DA'd - disassosiated.

COBE - coordinator of the body of elders

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Acronyms

by Distracted in

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reading through a lot of the forum posts and wondered what tatt stands for (?).

any more acronyms that are special to this site?

The Marvster

G.O.D you might see that one sometime... Gardians of the Doctrine, as Mr Jackson recently called the governing body at the ARC (Australian Royal Commission - or just RC)

Yep I've only been here a few months but run into the odd abbreviation that I can't understand, was wondering if there was a glossary or something.... you'll eventually catch on.

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Not for Believers - could be hard to swallow

by The Marvster in

well now that i'm a confirmed apostate (a couple of the forum posters confirmed this today), gosh hearing myself say that is a bit frightening.... how the hell did i get to this place, well thanks to anonymity, my 'still in' family don't know this yet... .

after a whole day of watching various people describe their differences with creationist ideas, i'm finally watching this one.... it's tongue in cheek and is hilarious to watch....(this is not meant to mock people's belief in god as such, but more to do with how creationist speculation seems to go against openly available data).

i noticed that some of the arguments made by kent hovind, a creationist evangelist, smells very much like stuff i learned in 'life how did it get here by evolution or creation', and in other publications trying to explain why some phenomena in the solar system etc points to the precision in the universe = there must have been a divine hand... i assume he didn't get the information from jw's, so i wonder who jw's were getting their info from.... well thanks to sites like jwfacts, it's as clear as day anyway please don't watch if you're not ready to take in the copious amounts of data expressed to counter creationist claims... i'm only 20 minutes in and it's pretty devastating to creationist argument, the author of the video encourages each watcher to go do the math themselves where possible, stating even a high school education will give you enough tools to check out the figures and see if they add up.... (oops, that might be a problem for your die hard jw).

The Marvster

Leveltheplayingfield.

you are right, it's insanely long...

I got through about one and a half hours last night, and couldn't do any more. will have to take in little chunks.

Azor: yeah I can see that people who are openly atheist, or even agnostic, or don't have an opinion could be open to being treated as 'weird' by believers. I don't think the two different ways of thinking can ever meet on peaceful ground.

LouT8503

I didn't even think of that, yeah, a 4 hour video is so insignificant compared to years and years of droning on and on and on with indoctrination in the borg

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Not for Believers - could be hard to swallow

by The Marvster in

well now that i'm a confirmed apostate (a couple of the forum posters confirmed this today), gosh hearing myself say that is a bit frightening.... how the hell did i get to this place, well thanks to anonymity, my 'still in' family don't know this yet... .

after a whole day of watching various people describe their differences with creationist ideas, i'm finally watching this one.... it's tongue in cheek and is hilarious to watch....(this is not meant to mock people's belief in god as such, but more to do with how creationist speculation seems to go against openly available data).

i noticed that some of the arguments made by kent hovind, a creationist evangelist, smells very much like stuff i learned in 'life how did it get here by evolution or creation', and in other publications trying to explain why some phenomena in the solar system etc points to the precision in the universe = there must have been a divine hand... i assume he didn't get the information from jw's, so i wonder who jw's were getting their info from.... well thanks to sites like jwfacts, it's as clear as day anyway please don't watch if you're not ready to take in the copious amounts of data expressed to counter creationist claims... i'm only 20 minutes in and it's pretty devastating to creationist argument, the author of the video encourages each watcher to go do the math themselves where possible, stating even a high school education will give you enough tools to check out the figures and see if they add up.... (oops, that might be a problem for your die hard jw).

The Marvster

sorry, forgot to say it's ridiculously long, might take several sittings... and of course I guess lots of you have already done your research, but it is a fun tongue in cheek effort though, I couldn't stop laughing...

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Not for Believers - could be hard to swallow

by The Marvster in

well now that i'm a confirmed apostate (a couple of the forum posters confirmed this today), gosh hearing myself say that is a bit frightening.... how the hell did i get to this place, well thanks to anonymity, my 'still in' family don't know this yet... .

after a whole day of watching various people describe their differences with creationist ideas, i'm finally watching this one.... it's tongue in cheek and is hilarious to watch....(this is not meant to mock people's belief in god as such, but more to do with how creationist speculation seems to go against openly available data).

i noticed that some of the arguments made by kent hovind, a creationist evangelist, smells very much like stuff i learned in 'life how did it get here by evolution or creation', and in other publications trying to explain why some phenomena in the solar system etc points to the precision in the universe = there must have been a divine hand... i assume he didn't get the information from jw's, so i wonder who jw's were getting their info from.... well thanks to sites like jwfacts, it's as clear as day anyway please don't watch if you're not ready to take in the copious amounts of data expressed to counter creationist claims... i'm only 20 minutes in and it's pretty devastating to creationist argument, the author of the video encourages each watcher to go do the math themselves where possible, stating even a high school education will give you enough tools to check out the figures and see if they add up.... (oops, that might be a problem for your die hard jw).

The Marvster

Well now that I'm a confirmed APOSTATE (a couple of the forum posters confirmed this today), gosh hearing myself say that is a bit frightening.... how the hell did I get to this place, well thanks to anonymity, my 'still in' family don't know this yet...

after a whole day of watching various people describe their differences with creationist ideas, I'm finally watching this one.... it's tongue in cheek and is hilarious to watch....(this is not meant to mock people's belief in god as such, but more to do with how creationist speculation seems to go against openly available data)

I noticed that some of the arguments made by Kent Hovind, a creationist evangelist, smells very much like stuff I learned in 'Life how did it get here by evolution or creation', and in other publications trying to explain why some phenomena in the solar system etc points to the precision in the universe = there must have been a Divine hand... I assume he didn't get the information from JW's, so I wonder who JW's were getting their info from.... well thanks to sites like JWfacts, it's as clear as day anyway please don't watch if you're not ready to take in the copious amounts of data expressed to counter creationist claims... I'm only 20 minutes in and it's pretty devastating to creationist argument, the author of the video encourages each watcher to go do the math themselves where possible, stating even a high school education will give you enough tools to check out the figures and see if they add up.... (oops, that might be a problem for your die hard JW)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Eo5MdHMNcw

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Christopher Hitchens Vs Armageddon

by The Marvster in

i've just spent a big part of today watching interviews, debates etc with richard dawkins.

when i was a jw i used to hate this man with all my energy, i looked on him as the devil's offspring, he represented an idea that totally terrified me.

today i found myself saying i love the man.

The Marvster

thanks Saintbertholdt...

will check it out, there were a few clips from it on the interview I watched... I think I'll end up watching these guys for most of the rest of my Saturday evening.

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Christopher Hitchens Vs Armageddon

by The Marvster in

i've just spent a big part of today watching interviews, debates etc with richard dawkins.

when i was a jw i used to hate this man with all my energy, i looked on him as the devil's offspring, he represented an idea that totally terrified me.

today i found myself saying i love the man.

The Marvster

Clarity..

yep, I've only seen little bits, and found his thinking 'devastating' when he analyses bible logic etc... but OMG, glad I didn't ever meet someone like that when I used to do JW recruiting... My faith would have probably ended that very day...

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Christopher Hitchens Vs Armageddon

by The Marvster in

i've just spent a big part of today watching interviews, debates etc with richard dawkins.

when i was a jw i used to hate this man with all my energy, i looked on him as the devil's offspring, he represented an idea that totally terrified me.

today i found myself saying i love the man.

The Marvster

Shoot, I'm done for.. damn it... lol... I was hoping there was still some sheep in me (erm, not the other way around of course)

But now I love them both. Carl Sagan in a sexual way (just kidding)

Lol, I forgot to mention that my 'love' for Dawkins is 'as a friend'... today was the final straw when I found out that while he was a young researcher, the mathematics was slowing him down so he started to use the then 'only computer' at Oxford University... he then taught himself programming language using zero's and 1's so he could make the computer do his calculations, and then ended up 'teaching' his fellow scientists the programming language.... my respect for him suddenly went through the roof... this guy is the man's man for sure...

yeah Hitchens definitely seems arrogant at times and definitely polemic... I recon you would have won the fist fight, he was pretty out of shape in a couple of the vids i watched... LOl